1 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:09,500 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,270 --> 00:00:23,320 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:28,280 show number 76 on the second of april 76 4 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:31,130 you know heading for show 80 sooner have 5 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:32,810 a special for that or maybe we'll wait 6 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:35,270 till show a hundred i don't know on this 7 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:36,559 week's episode we have an interview 8 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:40,150 conducted by dave the happy singer of 9 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:43,430 jamie kill Stein now Jamie kill Stein 10 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:45,640 has a radio host he's currently touring 11 00:00:51,010 --> 00:00:47,840 Australia but you'll find more about 12 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:51,020 that real soon that's followed by a 13 00:00:56,170 --> 00:00:53,270 report that I wrote for the Australian 14 00:00:59,620 --> 00:00:56,180 skeptic magazine the skeptic all about 15 00:01:01,930 --> 00:00:59,630 power balance wristbands and body tricks 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:01,940 and that sort of thing that'll be 17 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:04,850 followed by the think tank with dr. 18 00:01:09,639 --> 00:01:07,340 Reggie taking control of the first 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:09,649 section and then Dave the happy singer 20 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:11,450 stepping in once again to interview a 21 00:01:17,290 --> 00:01:15,110 good friend of ours Jason Brown now 22 00:01:20,650 --> 00:01:17,300 before we get on to the show thanks 23 00:01:23,499 --> 00:01:20,660 again for those people riding in telling 24 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:23,509 us what you're doing while listening to 25 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:25,520 the skeptic zone and I guess our other 26 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:28,640 podcasts I got a great email from 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:32,270 Matthew Francis and he tells me while 28 00:01:37,899 --> 00:01:34,490 he's listening to the skeptic zone and 29 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:37,909 probably other podcast he gets dressed 30 00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:41,030 he does cooking washing dishes shaving 31 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:42,740 hanging out clothes doing housework 32 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:46,240 driving walking going to the toilet 33 00:01:52,539 --> 00:01:50,030 cleaning his teeth programming TV shows 34 00:01:55,929 --> 00:01:52,549 to record on his DVD recorder and 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:55,939 sometimes his laptop basically he says 36 00:01:59,679 --> 00:01:58,010 he's always listening to podcast unless 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:01:59,689 he's in the shower in bed watching TV 38 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:02,570 reading talking to someone or on rare 39 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:05,600 cases when it's not practical well 40 00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:09,110 Matthew Francis thank you so much for 41 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:10,700 that email it gave the whole team a 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:14,720 laugh fantastic stuff all right now sit 43 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:16,850 back grab that martini and listen to 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:37,510 an ex interview is conducted by Dave the 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:39,530 happy singer of Dave the happy singer 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:43,330 calm he is talking to Jamie kill steen 47 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:46,370 jamie is a comedian writer and radio 48 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:49,070 host a regular guest on Sirius radio and 49 00:02:54,610 --> 00:02:52,070 also hosts the internet talk radio show 50 00:02:57,850 --> 00:02:54,620 citizen radio along with political 51 00:02:59,650 --> 00:02:57,860 columnist Alison kilkenny is here 52 00:03:01,870 --> 00:02:59,660 currently touring for the Melbourne 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Comedy Festival and you can find his 54 00:03:15,070 --> 00:03:13,630 hi this is Dave the happy singer and I'm 55 00:03:17,020 --> 00:03:15,080 in sunny Melbourne it's the day after 56 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:17,030 the global atheist convention I'm 57 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:19,310 delighted to be joined by Jamie kill ste 58 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:21,470 Jamie's a stand-up comedian from New 59 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:22,760 York and together with his girlfriend 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:24,860 Allison kilkenny the journalists it 61 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:28,010 co-hosts citizen radio we are citizen 62 00:03:35,770 --> 00:03:31,840 radio comm with fantastic interviews and 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:35,780 Jamie was I guess looky as the words has 64 00:03:40,330 --> 00:03:38,570 to have a riotous 10 minutes set in the 65 00:03:41,710 --> 00:03:40,340 last bracket of the convention just 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:41,720 before the friendly neighbor had atheist 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:43,130 dan barker and of course Richard Dawkins 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:45,650 so I guess the first question is Jamie M 69 00:03:49,210 --> 00:03:47,450 what was it like to perform at the 70 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:49,220 largest gathering of non-believers in 71 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:50,790 history there was 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:54,480 it was amazing it it was it was weird I 73 00:03:59,599 --> 00:03:55,890 didn't think and this is going to make 74 00:04:01,670 --> 00:03:59,609 me sound bigoted against atheists but 75 00:04:03,140 --> 00:04:01,680 I'm not I didn't think there'd be so 76 00:04:04,699 --> 00:04:03,150 many young people and I don't know why 77 00:04:07,729 --> 00:04:04,709 that surprised me i mean i think a lot 78 00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:07,739 of people kind of have that stereotype 79 00:04:12,349 --> 00:04:10,620 of the the aging curmudgeon who just 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:12,359 kind of swings on their porch and yells 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:14,010 at kids that's not a stereotype I think 82 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:15,810 I just made that up that's a new 83 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:17,340 stereotype that I've invented for 84 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:19,560 atheists and that it was great there 85 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:22,320 were just I mean all sorts of like I ice 86 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:24,120 every one I saw I was like I would hang 87 00:04:27,580 --> 00:04:25,560 out with you like they just seemed like 88 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:27,590 like my friends and it was really really 89 00:04:33,589 --> 00:04:30,449 neat encouraging I I've been walking 90 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:33,599 around like you said it's a day after i 91 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:36,120 had a couple dudes in their 60s when i 92 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:39,030 was walking back from the gym so yeah 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:40,560 these two old dudes walking by who were 94 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:43,410 i would say 65 maybe they were just like 95 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:45,419 Jimmy rock on an atheist convention and 96 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:46,830 I'm like that is the coolest thing ever 97 00:04:52,909 --> 00:04:48,900 it was just so cool to see this like 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:52,919 really wide demographic supporting 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:56,250 science and supporting education and and 100 00:05:02,120 --> 00:04:59,010 human rights and all that stuff and and 101 00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:02,130 yeah I mean it was so inappropriate for 102 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:05,550 me to go before Dawkins but I already 103 00:05:12,469 --> 00:05:08,280 got an incredible really sweet email 104 00:05:13,909 --> 00:05:12,479 from AC and PZ Myers wrote about me on 105 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:13,919 his blog this morning which is like so 106 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:15,960 flattering and and then we got the 107 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:17,400 interview Peter Singer last night after 108 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:20,639 the convention for citizen radio which 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:21,840 will be up on Saturday and we talked 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:24,210 about like everything from like animal 111 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:28,050 rights to their end-of-life care and 112 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:32,400 abortion and atheism and yeah i mean i 113 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:34,260 just really it instantly felt 114 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:37,530 comfortable and I so I mean I brought I 115 00:05:41,149 --> 00:05:38,970 never like to talk about business cuz 116 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:41,159 I'm bad at it and like I'm used to be 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:42,240 very poor and like 118 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:44,130 out of my car and very cliche starving 119 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:47,190 artist but I just I brought like a 120 00:05:50,749 --> 00:05:48,840 couple boxes of CDs to sell it the 121 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:50,759 festival because I'm here in Melbourne 122 00:05:56,779 --> 00:05:54,030 for like four weeks I literally sold out 123 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:56,789 of my month supply of CDs in like 20 124 00:06:00,140 --> 00:05:58,650 minutes at the convention and like it 125 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:00,150 was amazing because they didn't set up a 126 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:02,370 table for me any or anything right I was 127 00:06:07,850 --> 00:06:05,910 the total I kind of on my own where you 128 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:07,860 know since no one really knows me they 129 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:10,289 kind of knew that they were doing me a 130 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:12,270 favor almost and like I was just really 131 00:06:20,450 --> 00:06:17,520 excited to do it so you know I I flew in 132 00:06:21,589 --> 00:06:20,460 at like five in the morning walk to the 133 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:21,599 convention didn't even have cab fare 134 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:23,840 like I trekked down to the convention 135 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:27,240 did my spot it went really well and then 136 00:06:30,830 --> 00:06:29,250 I didn't even have a table to set up so 137 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:30,840 what I did was I made this little like 138 00:06:35,870 --> 00:06:33,060 gorilla set up right by the doll 139 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:35,880 consigning so people sign up mr. Dawkins 140 00:06:41,059 --> 00:06:38,580 and I a hijacked Katherine's table and 141 00:06:43,310 --> 00:06:41,069 like just pushed a little corner aside 142 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:43,320 and like just put my like 143 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:46,470 raggedy-ass box of cds with like duct 144 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:48,330 tape still hanging off the side i didn't 145 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:51,270 even have a pen I signed someone's Bible 146 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:52,620 which is really cool he was having 147 00:06:55,580 --> 00:06:54,300 everyone sign it he said one person 148 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:55,590 didn't sign and I want to find out who 149 00:07:00,170 --> 00:06:58,560 it is but I just wrote really big 150 00:07:03,410 --> 00:07:00,180 letters I just wrote this is not true 151 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:03,420 and then I signed my name so yeah those 152 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:07,050 I think were my highlights and yeah it 153 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:08,580 was awesome it was great at dan barker 154 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,840 tier I got to sit next to enlarge 155 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Dawkins and he was really nice i don't 156 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:13,170 know he's also a jazz musician so he's 157 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:14,490 like I want to put your stuff to music 158 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:17,090 and I'm just like yes a thousand yeses 159 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:19,950 so rad that's really i think that 160 00:07:24,140 --> 00:07:23,070 covered that's yeah so yeah you 161 00:07:26,090 --> 00:07:24,150 mentioned in your show as well that you 162 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:26,100 you know you your background is jewish 163 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:27,990 so what was your path to atheism were 164 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:29,880 you always an atheist or did you become 165 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:31,890 an atheist is your family observing oh 166 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:34,260 this this would be nice and embarrassing 167 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:36,630 yeah so here's here's what I did I did 168 00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:41,250 the I did be there like the the 169 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:44,070 university stoner thing which was I was 170 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:47,430 a spiritual but not religious is what I 171 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:48,690 said because that's what you're supposed 172 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:51,930 to say and you know I guess looking back 173 00:07:56,630 --> 00:07:53,160 on it I've never really talked about 174 00:07:58,340 --> 00:07:56,640 this looking back on it um you know I 175 00:08:00,410 --> 00:07:58,350 believe in God when I was a kid my 176 00:08:02,870 --> 00:08:00,420 family's religious but not like 177 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:02,880 church-going so like my mom is a 178 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:04,830 Christian doesn't go to church my dad 179 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:07,230 was Jude and go to synagogue but like we 180 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:09,180 did Christmas and Hanukkah cuz presents 181 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:13,410 and you know em bread from the books i 182 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:16,020 guess and stuff but we never really you 183 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:17,820 know Christmas was never about Jesus it 184 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:19,620 was about us you know so I never really 185 00:08:23,290 --> 00:08:21,090 had a reason to question it because I 186 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:23,300 was like I got to hang out my family and 187 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:25,500 an open presents some presents are 188 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:27,600 awesome right so which by the way we 189 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:29,040 should look into getting a holiday do 190 00:08:32,089 --> 00:08:30,390 you know how many people would finally 191 00:08:34,730 --> 00:08:32,099 make the switch if like we just had some 192 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:34,740 like awesome holiday how about Darwin to 193 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:36,990 Darwin day yeah see you need presents 194 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:39,870 worse really very selfish culture and 195 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:42,180 God help you if you buy people science 196 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:44,940 books oh the holiday will be over but 197 00:08:48,050 --> 00:08:46,590 yeah candy or something I mean Halloween 198 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:48,060 Jesus that doesn't make any sense but 199 00:08:51,569 --> 00:08:49,420 people are like candy 200 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:51,579 so we're just like I don't know hand out 201 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:53,470 stuff I think we should hand out books 202 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:54,730 but we're probably more likely to get 203 00:08:58,319 --> 00:08:56,560 people we handed out like we'd or 204 00:09:00,690 --> 00:08:58,329 something anyway I don't even smoke pot 205 00:09:02,069 --> 00:09:00,700 what am i doing here's here's what I 206 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:02,079 think yeah I know what I'm doing I'm 207 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:03,310 avoiding telling the question about how 208 00:09:09,629 --> 00:09:05,320 I how I believes in God okay here we go 209 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:09,639 so um so I really think about it but you 210 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:12,070 know I remember when I was a really 211 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:15,220 little kid you know every kid has like 212 00:09:18,689 --> 00:09:17,170 that one like deep question where 213 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:18,699 they're just like i'ma I'm a genius 214 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:20,500 because it's just that deep question 215 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:21,670 that like any time you meet a girl you 216 00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:23,110 like poses and you're like this is going 217 00:09:30,810 --> 00:09:25,389 to blow their mind so my deep question 218 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:30,820 was a I was like if I remember I didn't 219 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:31,750 go to church right everyone had 220 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:33,250 experience with organized religion but I 221 00:09:41,939 --> 00:09:39,839 was like if Christians believe so so 222 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:41,949 feverishly that they're right and they 223 00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:43,810 know they're right I mean they know it 224 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:45,040 they just saved for one hundred percent 225 00:09:49,230 --> 00:09:46,750 a know it but then you have like a 226 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:49,240 Muslim or a Jewish person who knows it 227 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:51,820 with just as much certainty they can't 228 00:09:55,019 --> 00:09:53,680 both be right and I think that's 229 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:55,029 something that a lot of people realize 230 00:10:00,689 --> 00:09:57,640 and I remember when I was like a kid my 231 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:00,699 first little joke is I was like I was 232 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:01,750 like I mean there could be like some 233 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Island culture 234 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:06,130 and they worship whatever like a tree or 235 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:09,070 mirror and they think that you know 236 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:11,560 they're just as certain as we are with 237 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:13,510 our Bibles or with the clown or whatever 238 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:17,230 and it so most people are wrong the 239 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:18,370 majority I mean there's only one group 240 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:19,930 that can technically be right in theory 241 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:22,300 right and so that's what I was like it's 242 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:23,590 so bizarre to see people giving their 243 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:27,760 whole life while everyone else there me 244 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:31,210 they think is wrong you know so so so I 245 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:32,710 kind of just started disowning organized 246 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:33,910 religion but I didn't really know about 247 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:35,830 it but I always believed in God just 248 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:37,750 kind of just in case I guess it's like 249 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:41,290 fall guy because because why not I 250 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:43,060 thought you know what it means because 251 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:45,010 like you know i didn't i didn't really 252 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:46,450 know about science i was failing her 253 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:49,630 school I just didn't think of any of the 254 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:52,360 cons because I I didn't have cons 255 00:10:56,780 --> 00:10:53,650 because I didn't have to go to church 256 00:10:59,010 --> 00:10:56,790 which I would she has a calm I didn't 257 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:59,020 really worry about hell I believed in 258 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:00,430 heaven because I thought heaven sounded 259 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:01,930 cool but I didn't believe in hell 260 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:03,490 because I thought health so i was like 261 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:05,110 other probably just probably just heaven 262 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:07,270 united me just already like cherry 263 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:13,260 picking and rationalizing and and so I 264 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:15,640 just thought why not I was like if I'm 265 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:18,580 wrong if I said there is no God if I'm 266 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:20,590 wrong I'm gonna burn in hell and if I'm 267 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:23,260 right I'll get to like see my dad cat or 268 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:25,930 whatever they say you do in heaven and 269 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:28,060 and that's kind of cool me show it just 270 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:29,830 gives you this ultimate out you know 271 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:32,110 that's why I think most the secular 272 00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:34,270 nations are the most charitable because 273 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:36,190 they know it's up to us and they don't 274 00:11:43,449 --> 00:11:39,130 pawn off their responsibility and so 275 00:11:48,970 --> 00:11:46,239 I was straight-up selfish and and then I 276 00:11:50,949 --> 00:11:48,980 met Allison my girlfriend and it was so 277 00:11:53,079 --> 00:11:50,959 funny i was at this point you know I 278 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:53,089 started becoming anti-religious like 279 00:11:56,919 --> 00:11:55,610 against organized religion once I sort 280 00:11:58,119 --> 00:11:56,929 of talk about politics and stand up so 281 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:58,129 Allison and I drove around the country 282 00:12:02,079 --> 00:11:59,360 and lived out of the car for two years 283 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:02,089 and at that time I met gay friends I met 284 00:12:08,290 --> 00:12:05,990 you know I just saw so many so many more 285 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:08,300 people than I met when I was living like 286 00:12:12,189 --> 00:12:10,610 you know when I was sprouting 287 00:12:13,179 --> 00:12:12,199 essentially in New York I didn't really 288 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:13,189 get a chance to meet anybody but 289 00:12:17,650 --> 00:12:15,050 comedians as I actually had to make real 290 00:12:18,999 --> 00:12:17,660 people and you know talk to gay kids who 291 00:12:20,530 --> 00:12:19,009 were afraid to come out to their parents 292 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:20,540 so they were religious and you know 293 00:12:24,189 --> 00:12:22,730 Mecca kids in like Utah and Mormon Utah 294 00:12:25,179 --> 00:12:24,199 and like and I was like I need to talk 295 00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:25,189 about this so that's when I became 296 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:28,040 really like anti church and I started 297 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:29,300 talking about that bruise so funny 298 00:12:32,439 --> 00:12:30,769 because I was anti-church I was talking 299 00:12:34,329 --> 00:12:32,449 about gay rights but I still believed in 300 00:12:35,710 --> 00:12:34,339 God again just in case because you will 301 00:12:36,910 --> 00:12:35,720 get you know I never read him at that 302 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:36,920 point I didn't read the Bible and I'm 303 00:12:40,299 --> 00:12:38,600 like wall God doesn't want this these 304 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:40,309 people were just you know sullying his 305 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:41,569 name and then of course you read the 306 00:12:46,749 --> 00:12:43,730 Bible and ago you guys want that um and 307 00:12:49,359 --> 00:12:46,759 so so I meet Allison and at this point 308 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:49,369 I'm like twenty-three I'm an adult right 309 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:52,790 I'm against religion and I just have to 310 00:12:57,999 --> 00:12:54,529 call myself an agnostic because that's 311 00:13:00,100 --> 00:12:58,009 just an easy by the way someone I think 312 00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:00,110 Triple J I was doing the show and they 313 00:13:04,869 --> 00:13:03,740 asked me if I get mad at agnostics and I 314 00:13:07,119 --> 00:13:04,879 kind of thought about it and for the 315 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:07,129 first time I'm like I love a docken says 316 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:08,689 about how technically we're all like 317 00:13:12,939 --> 00:13:10,850 Gnostics because if God crashed down 318 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:12,949 during this interview like we wouldn't 319 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:14,480 be like you you don't exist I'm 320 00:13:19,989 --> 00:13:18,350 renditions like would be like damn it so 321 00:13:21,910 --> 00:13:19,999 I do like that but at the same time I 322 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:21,920 love owning the word atheist because I 323 00:13:27,369 --> 00:13:24,649 feel like you know they organized so 324 00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:27,379 hardcore and they you know organized 325 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:28,670 essentially to take rights away from 326 00:13:33,579 --> 00:13:31,279 people so I do think it's kind of up to 327 00:13:35,439 --> 00:13:33,589 us to take a stand back so my new 328 00:13:37,689 --> 00:13:35,449 thoughts on the whole agnostic thing is 329 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:37,699 it's like pick a side and start losing 330 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:38,809 friends like the rest of us you know 331 00:13:42,819 --> 00:13:40,610 that I mean like if I get to be 332 00:13:46,359 --> 00:13:42,829 ostracized at every party I go to you 333 00:13:48,170 --> 00:13:46,369 get to be ostracized man up so anyways 334 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:48,180 so meet Allison and I go 335 00:13:51,950 --> 00:13:50,220 uh we start talking about religion 336 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:51,960 because for some reason that's what I do 337 00:13:58,010 --> 00:13:55,529 on a first date and and I was like yeah 338 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:58,020 I'm agnostic and I before she said 339 00:14:01,579 --> 00:13:59,760 agnostic I go I'm assuming you are too 340 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:01,589 I'm like you're not an atheist right and 341 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:02,970 I said it would like that contempt and 342 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:04,620 this was really like five years ago and 343 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:08,940 she's like yeah and suddenly you know at 344 00:14:11,630 --> 00:14:10,529 this point I like I thought I was like 345 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:11,640 an intellectual because I occasionally 346 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:15,180 read and you know I was very progressive 347 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:19,620 and left-wing and suddenly my girlfriend 348 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:22,380 says she's nae theists and I either said 349 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:23,850 this would have to ask her I either said 350 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:26,399 this or I'm all set it for I said but 351 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:28,500 you can cure the hell and then I'm like 352 00:14:34,130 --> 00:14:30,839 I don't even believe in that but I was 353 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:34,140 so you're so brainwashed into hearing 354 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:35,310 that atheists is the worst thing 355 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:36,480 possible at that point I didn't know 356 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:38,040 anyone who came out as an atheist I 357 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:40,140 didn't know about any of these charities 358 00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:43,020 I didn't I mean you know I certainly 359 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:45,420 didn't know who Richard Dawkins was I 360 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:46,980 didn't you know I didn't know that any 361 00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:51,000 of this stuff existed and and that was 362 00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:52,260 just as something that Allison and I 363 00:14:55,190 --> 00:14:54,000 disagreed on for about a year or two so 364 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:55,200 what ended up happening is we go on the 365 00:14:59,630 --> 00:14:57,750 road right and you know most people have 366 00:15:01,130 --> 00:14:59,640 their like they come back to God either 367 00:15:02,660 --> 00:15:01,140 when they're in jail and they're like 368 00:15:04,010 --> 00:15:02,670 that's like their ace they're like this 369 00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:04,020 is all I got left you know like 370 00:15:08,660 --> 00:15:06,270 hopefully GABA hoping either they're in 371 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:08,670 jail or they're like you know drunk and 372 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:11,220 vomiting in a gutter and they're like I 373 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:16,890 want to sit and just please or they see 374 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:18,690 something in nature right they're like 375 00:15:23,810 --> 00:15:21,570 oh it's a it's a tree with flowers there 376 00:15:26,329 --> 00:15:23,820 Jesus is real and it's like what to like 377 00:15:29,570 --> 00:15:26,339 who is that the waterfall the three 378 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:29,580 waterfall guy oh it's thought um I was 379 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:31,740 think about Francis Collins yeah the 380 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:36,810 huge we came here um yeah and yes so 381 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:38,070 they have that experience I actually had 382 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:40,440 the opposite experience and Allison I go 383 00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:43,010 to Niagara Falls and it's beautiful and 384 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,100 I go I said something Allison well I'm 385 00:15:52,940 --> 00:15:50,160 like see like look you know how I hate 386 00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:52,950 religion but how would this exists I 387 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:54,750 mean look at something like this like 388 00:15:58,199 --> 00:15:56,070 how would it existed there wasn't a god 389 00:16:01,139 --> 00:15:58,209 and she told me how it 390 00:16:02,869 --> 00:16:01,149 Robin like she was like well here's how 391 00:16:05,369 --> 00:16:02,879 it happened that I was like oh 392 00:16:08,489 --> 00:16:05,379 incredible and she's like yeah totally 393 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:08,499 and that was it and then suddenly we're 394 00:16:13,619 --> 00:16:11,230 on the road right oh no I dropped out of 395 00:16:14,939 --> 00:16:13,629 high school right and I read books for 396 00:16:16,619 --> 00:16:14,949 their life to not because i like 397 00:16:19,499 --> 00:16:16,629 learning fancy words to make myself look 398 00:16:22,369 --> 00:16:19,509 cool ok so anyway so we go on the road 399 00:16:25,169 --> 00:16:22,379 and suddenly I am like an eight-year-old 400 00:16:28,139 --> 00:16:25,179 because I never asked questions you just 401 00:16:29,939 --> 00:16:28,149 assume everything was quick here so 402 00:16:32,429 --> 00:16:29,949 suddenly I'm asking Allison I'm like how 403 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,439 a mountains made and like we only saw a 404 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:34,240 moment she would that tell me and I'm 405 00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:35,980 just like what about that Lake and like 406 00:16:41,730 --> 00:16:39,040 [\h__\h] tell me and like I became a kid and 407 00:16:44,819 --> 00:16:41,740 it was the exact opposite path where 408 00:16:47,609 --> 00:16:44,829 suddenly I became so much happier and 409 00:16:48,869 --> 00:16:47,619 more intellectually curious because I 410 00:16:50,369 --> 00:16:48,879 was like these things were somehow 411 00:16:52,319 --> 00:16:50,379 created now we don't know how all of it 412 00:16:54,419 --> 00:16:52,329 was created but let's find out and so 413 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:54,429 that was so much more exciting to me and 414 00:16:59,069 --> 00:16:57,160 then once I finally like took you know 415 00:17:00,989 --> 00:16:59,079 ownership of it and heard some of like 416 00:17:02,939 --> 00:17:00,999 those amazing speakers from this weekend 417 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:02,949 once I started reading them and finding 418 00:17:08,179 --> 00:17:05,770 out how important it was to just kind of 419 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:08,189 owned it and celebrate it and you know 420 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:10,510 again I used to do the soul mate thing 421 00:17:13,889 --> 00:17:12,130 which I briefly talked about on stage 422 00:17:16,439 --> 00:17:13,899 yesterday but I talked about a little 423 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:16,449 more my set but I used to do that where 424 00:17:20,639 --> 00:17:17,829 I thought it was fate or it was destiny 425 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:20,649 and I'm I and now I'm like man like you 426 00:17:25,019 --> 00:17:23,020 guys found each other like that is so 427 00:17:27,090 --> 00:17:25,029 much cooler to man that is so much more 428 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,100 romantic or if you get into a really 429 00:17:31,049 --> 00:17:29,440 good school and you say it was God like 430 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:31,059 what about I wasn't teachers that busted 431 00:17:34,529 --> 00:17:32,140 their ass what about your your parents 432 00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:34,539 and your your siblings you stood by you 433 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:36,580 and help you study like man give them 434 00:17:40,649 --> 00:17:38,289 credit I know alcoholics and drug 435 00:17:43,019 --> 00:17:40,659 addicts cuz I'm in the comedy business 436 00:17:44,609 --> 00:17:43,029 and you know the whole thing with AAA 437 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:44,619 and na is you have to have a higher 438 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:46,690 power and it's so interesting to me 439 00:17:52,169 --> 00:17:48,609 where when they have this higher power 440 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:52,179 if they are sober they don't thank 441 00:17:56,869 --> 00:17:54,369 themselves they go it was my higher 442 00:18:01,019 --> 00:17:56,879 power and I remember when I quit smoking 443 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:01,029 and when I quit drinking the the main 444 00:18:05,159 --> 00:18:03,460 thing that got me through was and you 445 00:18:06,539 --> 00:18:05,169 know I'm a really modest kind of self 446 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:06,549 hating guy but the thing that got me 447 00:18:10,499 --> 00:18:08,470 through was which is being proud of 448 00:18:13,859 --> 00:18:10,509 myself like me and Allison quit together 449 00:18:16,289 --> 00:18:13,869 and anytime I wanted to go back and I 450 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:16,299 was tempted to kind of relapse she would 451 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,220 be like you know how hard did you work 452 00:18:21,509 --> 00:18:19,840 it's been like two weeks do you really 453 00:18:23,219 --> 00:18:21,519 want to repeat that and I'm like no you 454 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:23,229 know what I did work really hard and I 455 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:24,970 did do it and I know if I keep doing it 456 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:26,529 it's going to get better and it got 457 00:18:31,489 --> 00:18:28,690 better but if I if I didn't take that 458 00:18:36,089 --> 00:18:31,499 ownership and if I was like it was God 459 00:18:37,379 --> 00:18:36,099 or it was my higher power than I would 460 00:18:39,089 --> 00:18:37,389 have been like oh well if it was God 461 00:18:40,139 --> 00:18:39,099 then I'll just getting postponed it you 462 00:18:42,019 --> 00:18:40,149 know what I mean like I'll just rain 463 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:42,029 check I'm do it next week conversely 464 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:44,710 lots of people who relapse instead of 465 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:46,330 being like I need to change my game plan 466 00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,700 because this isn't working they'll be 467 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,799 like well God has another plan for me or 468 00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:53,440 I know someone who relapsed and they met 469 00:18:58,859 --> 00:18:56,019 a really good friend at rehab and so he 470 00:19:00,509 --> 00:18:58,869 goes you know if I didn't relapse I want 471 00:19:02,339 --> 00:19:00,519 to met that person and now you're 472 00:19:04,139 --> 00:19:02,349 justifying it now you're saying it's 473 00:19:05,460 --> 00:19:04,149 good so now the next time you want to 474 00:19:08,099 --> 00:19:05,470 relapse you can be like whoa look what 475 00:19:09,479 --> 00:19:08,109 happened last time I met sally and you 476 00:19:12,509 --> 00:19:09,489 can just start as opposed to being like 477 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:12,519 that sucks I have to start again I'm 478 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:15,190 going to work harder me me me me me I'm 479 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:17,630 hurting the people around me 480 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:20,040 etc so I just found that ever since then 481 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:21,990 ever since I started like started living 482 00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:24,150 life for myself and the people that I 483 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:26,460 care about which has been infinitely 484 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:29,310 more fulfilling and and I know where 485 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:32,850 mountains came from now this is only a 486 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:34,530 part of what Dave they're happy seeing a 487 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,540 recorded you can find the rest of the 488 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:38,400 interview at the podcast of the Sydney 489 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:51,690 atheists at wwt atheists org this is 490 00:19:57,940 --> 00:19:53,370 Eugenie Scott National Center for 491 00:20:01,610 --> 00:19:57,950 Science Education you can find us at ww 492 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:01,620 NCSE com come see us if you want to know 493 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,510 anything about the creationism and 494 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:05,760 evolution conflict in the United States 495 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:08,760 or more's the pity internationally these 496 00:20:13,790 --> 00:20:10,530 days we are a clearinghouse for 497 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:13,800 information on this vexing but certainly 498 00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:16,470 very interesting problem come and find 499 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:28,100 a matter of balance this is a report 500 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:30,330 from the most recent issue of the 501 00:20:36,910 --> 00:20:32,220 skeptic magazine from Australian 502 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:36,920 skeptics volume 30 number 14 March 2010 503 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:40,440 in November 2009 a group of Australian 504 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:42,330 skeptics and friends headed for the 505 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:45,090 festival of mind body spirit in Sydney 506 00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:47,130 an overview of this adventure can be 507 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:49,380 seen in previous issues of the skeptic 508 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,810 over the years I've come to expect the 509 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,240 unexpected of these events although much 510 00:20:59,300 --> 00:20:57,360 of what is on show is old hat sometimes 511 00:21:02,120 --> 00:20:59,310 something stands out for one reason or 512 00:21:04,910 --> 00:21:02,130 another this time it was the stand of a 513 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:04,920 company called fusion excel their 514 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:08,370 website is HTTP colon slash slash fusion 515 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:11,730 XL com now they sell a nice-looking 516 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:13,430 pendant to wear around the neck 517 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,980 according to the company's website 518 00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:18,720 quantum pendant is made from natural 519 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:20,670 materials that are fused and 520 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:23,220 structurally bonded together at a 521 00:21:28,790 --> 00:21:26,430 molecular level it produces scalar 522 00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:28,800 energy that helps to enhance the body's 523 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:33,000 bio field more red flags in a red flag 524 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:35,550 factory but inside the nonsense about 525 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:38,220 scalar energy in the body's bio field 526 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:41,730 just what is fusion excel selling in 527 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,070 other words what what is the hook that 528 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:47,220 would convince someone to part with 266 529 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,590 dollars for a black pendant about the 530 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:52,080 size of a poker chip the answer is 531 00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,850 something that's been bobbing around 532 00:21:59,650 --> 00:21:56,720 since the 1970s and probably even longer 533 00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,660 body balance and flexibility tricks 534 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:02,760 these tricks consist of testing one's 535 00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:05,460 balance by applying a slight downward 536 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:08,460 force on the extended arm the subject 537 00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,650 who is standing on one foot normally 538 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,900 tips off balance as the force is 539 00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:15,240 directed slightly away from the body and 540 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:18,660 hence the center of gravity now the same 541 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:21,450 test is done again only this time the 542 00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:23,820 subject is given the pendant wars will 543 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:26,580 soon see the holograph as if by magic 544 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:29,850 the subject not only doesn't tip over it 545 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:32,970 seems they are anchored with a amazing 546 00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:35,070 new sense of balance no matter how hard 547 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:36,360 the forces applied 548 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:39,450 the subject remains its upright how is 549 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:42,450 this stunning feat achieved as you may 550 00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,950 have guessed it's nothing to do with the 551 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:46,320 pendant which is only a prop it's all to 552 00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:48,090 do with how the force is applied to the 553 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,700 extended arm and this time the force is 554 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:53,280 downward and very much towards the body 555 00:22:58,039 --> 00:22:55,830 in the center of gravity however the 556 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:58,049 casual observer usually doesn't notice 557 00:23:02,720 --> 00:22:59,580 this change in the direction of the 558 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:02,730 force and so the trick carries quite an 559 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:05,850 impact so subtle is the technique that 560 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:07,770 even the subject of the test is unaware 561 00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:09,960 of the difference and is easily 562 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,059 convinced they have suddenly acquired a 563 00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,880 new sense of balance now the similar 564 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,559 tests use the same principle of 565 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:18,780 directing force away from and then 566 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:20,490 towards the body in the center of 567 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,250 gravity to cap off the demonstration the 568 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:25,080 subject is asked to swing their arms 569 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:27,450 slowly back around the body as far as 570 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:30,090 it'll go once the pendant is introduced 571 00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:31,890 the subject finds to their amazement 572 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:35,400 that their arm swings even further again 573 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:37,290 it's not the pendant it's just the body 574 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:40,590 flexing and reflexive but the effect can 575 00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:43,290 seem astonishing now this is all very 576 00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:45,780 well and fine and something sceptics 577 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:47,340 around the world have seen for many 578 00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,950 years what made the quantum pendant 579 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:52,559 stand out were the supplementary claims 580 00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:56,010 given by fusion XL representatives the 581 00:24:02,180 --> 00:23:59,130 pendant could also turn tap water into 582 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,190 sunblock yes it it might take a moment 583 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:04,020 for the gravity of this claim to sink in 584 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:07,290 a plastic pendant made from lava is 585 00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:09,450 placed under a bottle of tap water for 586 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:12,179 15 minutes and it gives that water the 587 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,610 power of a sunblock you've rubbed on the 588 00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:16,320 skin indeed one of the representatives 589 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:19,620 told us she used it on her grandchildren 590 00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:21,320 and she does not trust the chemicals in 591 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:25,080 real sunblock needless to say i am the 592 00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:27,390 other skeptics were somewhat dumbstruck 593 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:29,790 at this claim but not for long i allowed 594 00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,650 myself the luxury of lecturing these 595 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,299 people and demanding may stop making 596 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:35,820 this outrageous and totally 597 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:38,970 irresponsible claim Australian skeptics 598 00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:40,710 are now considering our next step as 599 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:43,950 this claim ranks amongst the worst we 600 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:47,250 have encountered a search of videos on 601 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,410 YouTube showed more of fusion 602 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:52,080 cell in the body tests once you know the 603 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,910 tricks it's relatively easy to spot 604 00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:56,100 what's going on little did I know that 605 00:25:01,880 --> 00:24:58,830 this extra research would come in very 606 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:01,890 handy in a matter of weeks in december 607 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:04,890 two thousand nine today tonight a 608 00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,810 Current Affair show on channel seven 609 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:09,120 here in Australia ran a story from a 610 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,010 valade on the amazing results achieved 611 00:25:16,910 --> 00:25:14,280 by using the power balance wristband at 612 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:16,920 only sixty dollars with embedded 613 00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:20,790 hologram to quote from their website how 614 00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:22,680 does it work most everything has a 615 00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:25,920 frequency inherit to it some frequencies 616 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:28,040 react positively with your body and 617 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:31,260 others negatively when the hologram 618 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,630 comes in contact with your body's energy 619 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:36,720 field it allows your body to interact 620 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:39,150 with the natural beneficial frequency 621 00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:41,970 stored within the hologram this results 622 00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:43,980 in improved energy flow throughout your 623 00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:48,480 body what really caught my attention 624 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:50,870 upon watching the story on today tonight 625 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:54,120 was that the power balance used exactly 626 00:25:59,540 --> 00:25:57,570 the same tests as fusion excel only this 627 00:26:01,820 --> 00:25:59,550 time it was the hologram in the 628 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:01,830 wristband that gave one that the power I 629 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:03,990 wrote to today tonight offering my 630 00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,630 services in any following up story but 631 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:08,640 as luck would have it they contacted me 632 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:11,730 via skeptic Lori Eddie in Adelaide after 633 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:13,590 a chat with the reporter Frank pang Gila 634 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:15,510 it was agreed that i'd be flown to 635 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,910 adelaide to test the power balance on 636 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:20,880 behalf of australian skeptics also flown 637 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:23,310 in was Tom O'Dowd who has the Australian 638 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,100 rights for the power balance bracelet 639 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,340 the Adelaide tests were as simple as I 640 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:31,860 could make them we had six volunteers 641 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:34,500 line up with only one chosen by the roll 642 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:36,930 of a dice having the hologram hidden 643 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:39,690 about their person tom was unaware as to 644 00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:42,810 who had the hologram as was I and his 645 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:46,020 task was to use the body tests to find 646 00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:48,930 out if the hologram performed his claim 647 00:26:54,770 --> 00:26:52,280 this should have been a walk in the park 648 00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:54,780 unfortunately for Tom he did not pick 649 00:27:00,290 --> 00:26:56,670 the right person on any of the five 650 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:00,300 tests we performed at every step and 651 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:02,740 this point cannot be overstated 652 00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:04,990 tom was asked if he was happy with the 653 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,220 conditions Tom reported his approval I 654 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:10,960 found Tom O'Dowd to be friendly and very 655 00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,210 keen to show me how well power balance 656 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:16,000 worked I have no doubt that he really 657 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:18,580 does believe the product works even 658 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:21,570 though it failed a very simple test why 659 00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:24,750 we look to water diviners for the answer 660 00:27:29,549 --> 00:27:27,429 Australian skeptics have been testing 661 00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:29,559 the claims of water diviner since James 662 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:33,040 Randi traveled here 30 years ago what is 663 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:34,660 well known to us is something called the 664 00:27:40,410 --> 00:27:38,410 ideomotor action or effect this simply 665 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:40,420 put is the phenomenon of the body 666 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:43,630 fooling the owner when a diviners rods 667 00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:46,450 move the diviner is unaware that they 668 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:49,000 are tilting their own hands when 669 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:50,650 proponents of something like Power 670 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:52,360 Balance are demonstrating the product 671 00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:54,940 they too are unaware of the subtle 672 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,670 change they apply to their subject to 673 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:00,960 make them tip or not sound far-fetched 674 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:03,850 the ideomotor action is well documented 675 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:07,360 and very powerful it is also possible to 676 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:11,170 miss use these body tests or tricks once 677 00:28:15,299 --> 00:28:13,420 you know what you're doing not a recent 678 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:15,309 trip to the USA I was able to give 679 00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:17,290 amazing demonstrations to total 680 00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:20,350 strangers of the incredible power of the 681 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:23,140 pendant I now carry the pendant is made 682 00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:25,929 from ceramics with the words science 683 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:29,800 saves lives written on it to read this 684 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:31,720 report and see the accompanying videos 685 00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:37,330 visit w WC optics com au and type the 686 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:48,450 you're listening to the skeptic zone I'm 687 00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:54,730 Brian Dunning from sceptile com join us 688 00:29:04,530 --> 00:28:57,700 now for drinking skeptically in the 689 00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:04,540 think tank tank now another thing the 690 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:07,900 thing time yeah hopefully here we are as 691 00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:10,060 Sydney skeptics in the pub on dr. H E 692 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:12,910 and we are celebrating the victory of 693 00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:21,640 simon sings appeals and I'm here with 694 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:24,460 Jason Brown drunken madness hello and 695 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:26,620 happy singer it's not home Dave the 696 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,510 happy singer doctor every single comment 697 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:31,360 Oh feel good it wasn't so I'll be bry 698 00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:34,270 night from the gyro food you very much 699 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:36,760 yeah and add not to shake it's also here 700 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,390 good everyone and I don't know you I'm 701 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:43,120 Jamie I from nothing in particular okay 702 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,100 canada Jennifer Muhammad over and then 703 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:48,640 Tim lawful all skeptics we must like now 704 00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:49,960 can you give us a little bit of a run 705 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:52,990 down David know what just happened about 706 00:30:00,750 --> 00:29:55,480 half an hour ago like a Scientology 707 00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:00,760 rundown was the vonage as I understand 708 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:03,280 it live while we were with Sydney 709 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:04,900 skeptics in the pub where in the puppets 710 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:07,180 about I don't know nine of ten in the 711 00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:09,880 morning in the UK and it's a mid evening 712 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:13,800 in Sydney and we're all out drinking and 713 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:16,660 and before our speakers Tim mendham 714 00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:18,040 started speaking tonight we knew that 715 00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:23,020 the decision by was it a triumvirate of 716 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:26,020 judges though what good is an excellent 717 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:28,150 winner and try it try them for again you 718 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:31,090 always learn things in my mattress 719 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:33,710 triumvirate of judges have just passed 720 00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:35,330 down the decision we were expecting this 721 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:37,040 decision with morning everyone in the UK 722 00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:39,410 everyone in the UK was gathering at the 723 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:41,870 courts and we were gathering at skeptics 724 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:44,480 in the pub all frantically refreshing 725 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:48,190 the hashtag hash Singh BCA because these 726 00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:49,970 judges were going to be handing down 727 00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:52,760 their decision on simon sings appeal 728 00:30:56,410 --> 00:30:54,860 about the meaning of the with bogus in 729 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:56,420 his libel case and if you've been 730 00:30:59,770 --> 00:30:58,370 listening to the zone then you'll kind 731 00:31:01,500 --> 00:30:59,780 of understand the background of this but 732 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:01,510 basically Simon Singh said that certain 733 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:05,840 chiropractic practices were bogus they 734 00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:07,910 sued claiming that the word bogus meant 735 00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:09,680 a deliberate intent to deceive the judge 736 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:11,660 agreed with them Simon asked to appeal 737 00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:13,250 he was granted the right to appeal and 738 00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:16,340 three judges of now says of course bogus 739 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:19,240 doesn't mean what the BCA think it means 740 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:23,570 and Simon's appeal has been successful 741 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:27,740 and I think and I'm not a lawyer you the 742 00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:30,020 best thing you can do is follow Jack of 743 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,670 Ken if you want to know anything about 744 00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:33,200 that is the best blogger in the world on 745 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:35,540 this go to Jack of Kenneth blog and 746 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:38,510 follow jacket Ken on Twitter but as far 747 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:40,160 as I understand the upshot is now is 748 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:42,980 this is not won the case but the BCA 749 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:44,810 don't have a leg to stand on their cases 750 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:47,330 is basically evaporated in this decision 751 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:49,190 today so it's good news it's a course to 752 00:31:54,130 --> 00:31:50,810 celebrate I might be wrong but I think 753 00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:54,140 that's filled me up leaving till there 754 00:31:59,740 --> 00:31:57,560 are Simon's about to win well there's 755 00:32:02,290 --> 00:31:59,750 also I've just been handed a statement 756 00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:02,300 from the BCA by bus sheep which was 757 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:05,660 published I guess just moments ago and 758 00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,770 the statement from the British 759 00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:08,480 Chiropractic Association regarding the 760 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:11,390 BCA versus Simon Singh plans commenting 761 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,070 on the court of appeal ruling allowing 762 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:15,440 the appeal by Simon Singh Richard Brown 763 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:19,010 president of the BCA said oh I case 764 00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:21,050 against dr. Singh has always been simply 765 00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:22,790 to set the record straight and correct 766 00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:24,680 what the BCA considered reliable as 767 00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:26,920 comments by Simon Singh in the Guardian 768 00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:29,000 originally we asked off to sing for a 769 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:30,800 retraction and an apology and he 770 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:33,250 declined the guardian 771 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:34,810 they offered a right of reply but this 772 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:37,030 fell short of our expectations not least 773 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:38,950 of which because the original Lobel 774 00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,710 would have remained undirected having 775 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:43,600 reached stalemate and filling our 776 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:45,370 reputation had been tarnished we sought 777 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:47,710 legal advice which unambiguously 778 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:49,240 indicated that in order to get an 779 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:51,190 appropriate apology and retraction a 780 00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:54,100 rich need to be served the same advice 781 00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:56,020 was this was best achieved by directing 782 00:33:02,010 --> 00:32:58,390 action against the authors rather than 783 00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:02,020 the newspaper the BCA has followed its 784 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,800 legal advice throughout this case the 785 00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:07,600 motivation for this action was always to 786 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:12,540 create our good name particularly in 10 787 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,740 particularly in respect of the 788 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:16,480 implication that we acted dishonestly 789 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:19,390 like yeah it wasn't it was never and it 790 00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:20,800 is still not our intention to curb 791 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:22,420 freedom of speech whether in the field 792 00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:24,310 of scientific research or elsewhere Oh 793 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:26,920 almost sadly we recognize that this is 794 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:29,260 how it has been portrayed by Simon Singh 795 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:31,330 as him and his supporters and it goes 796 00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:33,910 along FIFA you can find out probably on 797 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:37,420 the BCA website but I disagree that it 798 00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:41,110 was their intention not to violence free 799 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:42,790 speech what do you guys think about that 800 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:44,770 well you know if you are a publisher 801 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:46,570 student just not ready because they 802 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:48,790 might come on people as well it doesn't 803 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:50,530 matter even if we publish it in Sydney 804 00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:52,600 they'll they'll go to a written answer 805 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:55,030 me double that's the problem with the 806 00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:57,220 liable libel tourism that people are 807 00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,600 going to Britain to sue because the 808 00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:01,500 libel balls are so screwed up in Britain 809 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:04,120 only things were published in breakfast 810 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:07,480 I mean no I know I'm not convenient at 811 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:11,530 all this bumper yeah okay yeah the 812 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,830 internet is publishing process goes have 813 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:16,720 you tried in a phone yeah if you write 814 00:34:22,139 --> 00:34:18,850 it work in Australia and you can access 815 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:22,149 a written one amazing very closely so 816 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:23,070 you can get a man 817 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,310 published in America they saw a movie 818 00:34:30,410 --> 00:34:28,200 because they'll be staying alive and 819 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:30,420 awake like sesame from Britain is 820 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:34,530 everything ya know a person reads in 821 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:36,690 Britain is assumed to be published in 822 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:38,790 Britain yeah is that because somebody 823 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:40,710 Britain is reading it so obviously it's 824 00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:43,080 been published otherwise no Britain can 825 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,390 simply be reading it all right how could 826 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:47,970 that happen in this grey Empire of ours 827 00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:51,720 oh we should probably point out I don't 828 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:53,670 think we've got any legal minds amongst 829 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:55,950 us whatsoever I just like to reiterate 830 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,930 the recommendation that you go to Jackie 831 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:00,480 Kennedy because Jack of kin tends to 832 00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:01,950 know what he's talking about whereas i'm 833 00:35:06,350 --> 00:35:04,260 just a comedy musician you shouldn't 834 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,360 listen to anything I say everything the 835 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:08,520 entire root of skepticism is that you 836 00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:09,750 shouldn't listen to dave the happy 837 00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:11,070 singer but by the same token you 838 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:12,030 shouldn't listen to the British 839 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:13,530 chiropractic association or Jenny 840 00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:18,660 McCarthy good work can we can we spend 841 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:20,040 that list of people we shouldn't listen 842 00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,590 to yes that cake you make a long time 843 00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,720 ahead through yes he could so let's just 844 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:26,940 leave it at now nominate years of life 845 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:30,330 singer for a start we're in alphabetical 846 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:32,370 order Oh to get a veggie long gone by 847 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,630 the way [\h__\h] off by saying 848 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:38,820 congratulations of Simon Singh yes we 849 00:35:44,110 --> 00:35:40,830 love you Simon and we're looking forward 850 00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:44,120 to seeing Simon at tam Australia 851 00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:47,000 in November so cheers to swimming 852 00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:50,990 everyone is what I wanted to get in 853 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:53,870 boxing my joy everyone you also whilst 854 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:55,970 add skeptics in the pub Dave the happy 855 00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:57,770 singer took the opportunity to talk to 856 00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:00,470 Jason Brown also known as at drunk and 857 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,470 mad man on Twitter about his new website 858 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:06,560 called the skeptic ater skeptic ater is 859 00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:08,810 an aggregator for skeptical content and 860 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:12,470 can be found at skeptic hater com you 861 00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:14,210 can also follow the skeptic ater on 862 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:17,000 twitter at the skeptic ater so here's 863 00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:20,450 Dave talking to Jason Brown so this is 864 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:23,420 Dave the happy singer abscess in the pub 865 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:24,650 you can visit me at Dave the happy 866 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,020 singer calm and we're fortunate tonight 867 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:28,640 to be joined by the drunken madman and 868 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:33,590 self Jason Brown mm and Jason as some of 869 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,390 you know but more of you should know has 870 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:38,690 launched skeptic ater calm Jason tell us 871 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:42,650 what skeptic acre is well hey I'm glad 872 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:43,850 you asked me that that's a very good 873 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:49,310 question skeptic Eircom is a well it's 874 00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:51,530 the central source for all skeptical 875 00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:53,360 information from blogs wow that's a big 876 00:37:00,850 --> 00:36:56,780 claim it is a very brave it's an 877 00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,860 extremely they claim it's like bit of 878 00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:03,200 hyperbole there perhaps but eventually 879 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:04,840 it will become the preeminent 880 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:07,640 information source Cooper what is 881 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:09,770 skeptical how does it work skepta cater 882 00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:11,990 is an RSS aggregator and the Twitter 883 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:14,180 angry at group data on what it's such a 884 00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:16,610 difficult word of every day it is what 885 00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:18,980 does it mean it means that basically 886 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:21,230 skeptic 80 goes out to all the skeptical 887 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:23,930 blogs that it knows about finds all of 888 00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:26,120 their articles brings them together in 889 00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:28,310 one place where any skeptical personal 890 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,350 can you come and find them brutally so 891 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:33,200 this is pretty under all the skeptical 892 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:35,150 happenings as it happens yes as it 893 00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:38,390 happens yes updated every 15 minutes 894 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:43,579 I make you pretty much pretty much all 895 00:37:48,339 --> 00:37:46,490 of the the very prominent skeptical 896 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:48,349 blogs are already on this there's a few 897 00:37:52,539 --> 00:37:49,970 more that I need to pick up over time 898 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:52,549 later every 15 mounted updates and you 899 00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,410 get the very latest news and opinions 900 00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,960 from the schedule community so what else 901 00:38:01,329 --> 00:37:59,210 can you do with sketch with skeptic a 902 00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,339 well obviously you can add your own blog 903 00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:03,200 just get together but also you can use 904 00:38:08,799 --> 00:38:06,109 it to tweet to your Twitter followers 905 00:38:10,509 --> 00:38:08,809 and tell them about what their new stuff 906 00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:10,519 State leverages here on the or social 907 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:13,940 web they're quite nice in that way 908 00:38:18,309 --> 00:38:15,710 there'll be some some updates coming in 909 00:38:20,289 --> 00:38:18,319 to make it easier to be on to facebook 910 00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:20,299 and stumble upon any that reddit and 911 00:38:27,069 --> 00:38:23,839 various other sources but also it's got 912 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:27,079 a very nice search capability we can 913 00:38:33,549 --> 00:38:31,010 search in a very kind of a rich content 914 00:38:34,779 --> 00:38:33,559 oriented kind of a way and you know if 915 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:34,789 you want to find out what someone wants 916 00:38:39,759 --> 00:38:37,220 to say but let's say the Simon Singh 917 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:39,769 decision you simply type Simon Singh 918 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:42,410 into the search on skeptic area and it 919 00:38:46,089 --> 00:38:43,970 will give you a very nice little 920 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:46,099 returnable that your blog articles have 921 00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:47,450 been written about the same intent on 922 00:38:51,759 --> 00:38:50,359 having this dummy I've used skeptic 923 00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:51,769 Asian the thing that I found most 924 00:38:56,499 --> 00:38:54,740 exciting was the search because um if 925 00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,509 you just put in I mean the this big 926 00:39:01,120 --> 00:38:59,119 story is going on at the moment with the 927 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:01,130 Pope and the Australian vaccination 928 00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,650 network and I Lucy Simon sink tonight is 929 00:39:07,269 --> 00:39:05,839 the big breaking news story you type 930 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:07,279 those into Google and you're going to 931 00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:10,130 get a lot of skeptical stuff a lot of 932 00:39:14,529 --> 00:39:11,900 mainstream media stuff but also a lot of 933 00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:14,539 you get a lot of woo if you know a lot 934 00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:16,220 of your agenda which shows a general 935 00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:17,480 search engine the nice thing I find 936 00:39:24,309 --> 00:39:22,220 about Scott secatur is quite uniquely I 937 00:39:26,109 --> 00:39:24,319 found that if you use skeptic a turd 938 00:39:28,839 --> 00:39:26,119 suit for a particular topic you can get 939 00:39:30,789 --> 00:39:28,849 all the block posts that year interested 940 00:39:34,029 --> 00:39:30,799 in just in one place straight away so if 941 00:39:35,769 --> 00:39:34,039 you want to know kind of a simon sings 942 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:35,779 the perfect example but you type Simon 943 00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:37,970 Singh into skeptic 80 now and you're 944 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:39,740 going to get comments from the 945 00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:42,110 an astronomer from the skeptic zone 946 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:44,300 you're going to find the young 947 00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:46,310 Australian skeptics all over skeptical 948 00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:49,070 bloggers at the universe is listed yes 949 00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:52,040 skype the sketching all skeptical blocks 950 00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:53,390 you can think of and if you can think of 951 00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:54,860 one that's not on there you can add it 952 00:40:02,590 --> 00:39:57,140 dead easy and you can just get digest 953 00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:02,600 kind of up to the minute stuff and 954 00:40:05,859 --> 00:40:04,070 what's even better if you've got a 955 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:05,869 particular interest area that you want 956 00:40:10,090 --> 00:40:07,660 to look at stay friends material 957 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:10,100 interested in homeopathy oh you know 958 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:12,170 from the the recent 1023 campaign which 959 00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,090 is a very successful in one day you 960 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:16,160 cannot search for homeopathy on skeptic 961 00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:18,110 error and you can then subscribe to that 962 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:21,380 searchfeed so in your favorite RSS 963 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:23,570 reader which most of you should be using 964 00:40:28,990 --> 00:40:26,630 a really RSS very good but you can get 965 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:29,000 skeptic 80 search results for homeopathy 966 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:31,010 and you'll get all of that keywords 967 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:33,020 results straight into your favorite 968 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:36,610 reader the other thing I think about 969 00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:39,410 found also with skits caterers it's it's 970 00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:42,200 fantastic fulfilling those five minute 971 00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:44,660 i'm bored moments when you're online and 972 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:48,680 you're not sure where to go you know 973 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:50,930 just bring up the homepage of skeptic 974 00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:52,730 aider and you'll you'll see the first 975 00:40:56,349 --> 00:40:54,980 what the first dozen most recent 976 00:40:59,950 --> 00:40:56,359 skeptical blog posts from all the 977 00:41:02,620 --> 00:40:59,960 different blog yet the very latest in 15 978 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:02,630 minutes you know it five minutes ago pz 979 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:04,940 myers is what a blog post up about you 980 00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,250 know the pope it's right there at the 981 00:41:12,849 --> 00:41:09,440 top of this Gator feet and then and it's 982 00:41:14,859 --> 00:41:12,859 great i mean it's it's so broad and my 983 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:14,869 kids love it it's so broad in terms of 984 00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,450 it in terms of a skeptical coverage that 985 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:18,560 you're going to find topics and you're 986 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:20,690 going to find websites that you probably 987 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:22,460 not familiar with unless you're a really 988 00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:25,310 hardcore encyclopedic skeptic but also 989 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,660 it is it is skeptical stuff is skeptical 990 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:31,280 feeds you know there's obviously a 991 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:33,890 massive range of opinions and things 992 00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:35,570 going on within the script community but 993 00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:39,109 you're not um it's already prefilled 994 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,040 sofa [\h__\h] indeed it is [\h__\h] free 995 00:41:45,989 --> 00:41:45,200 yeah unless you count my blog which is 996 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:45,999 on there as well 997 00:41:51,389 --> 00:41:49,689 yeah if you is there gonna be an option 998 00:41:53,369 --> 00:41:51,399 in future to filter out certain keywords 999 00:41:55,259 --> 00:41:53,379 like they were like drinkin my mum 1000 00:41:57,779 --> 00:41:55,269 singing they will indeed be an option 1001 00:42:01,169 --> 00:41:57,789 too well what I'm going to try and do is 1002 00:42:03,449 --> 00:42:01,179 allow the community to to kind of I'm 1003 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:03,459 going to crowdsource a quality kind of a 1004 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:05,169 thing and allow people to vote up or 1005 00:42:10,019 --> 00:42:07,089 vote down different I condition within 1006 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:10,029 the feet on a different feeds wait so if 1007 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:12,609 a particular feedback you know becomes 1008 00:42:16,889 --> 00:42:14,609 very far less skeptical than a usual 1009 00:42:19,409 --> 00:42:16,899 then we'll be able to filter that out on 1010 00:42:22,139 --> 00:42:19,419 a commune basis that's the old thumbs up 1011 00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:22,149 thumbs down things down yeah yeah if I 1012 00:42:27,479 --> 00:42:24,759 Reiki healer tells me that my chakras a 1013 00:42:30,209 --> 00:42:27,489 missile I will I be able to solve this 1014 00:42:32,129 --> 00:42:30,219 problem on skeptical but yeah you'll 1015 00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:32,139 just be able to type chakras into skepta 1016 00:42:40,439 --> 00:42:34,029 Gator realize it's all [\h__\h] ignore 1017 00:42:45,869 --> 00:42:40,449 them another victory for the skeptic 1018 00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:45,879 ater no but seriously it is kind of it's 1019 00:42:51,989 --> 00:42:48,159 a fantastic resource built both for the 1020 00:42:53,819 --> 00:42:51,999 search power on the DL just the five 1021 00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:53,829 minutes on board moments you know it 1022 00:42:59,579 --> 00:42:56,969 really does go through the crap so 1023 00:43:01,529 --> 00:42:59,589 you've got up started using a little 1024 00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:01,539 writing the skeptic air in fact since 1025 00:43:06,149 --> 00:43:03,369 I've started building it I haven't had 1026 00:43:09,179 --> 00:43:06,159 five minutes board moments it's a pinion 1027 00:43:10,649 --> 00:43:09,189 quite in two years still a lot of work 1028 00:43:13,379 --> 00:43:10,659 to go I know you've got big plans for 1029 00:43:17,489 --> 00:43:13,389 the flickering islands yeah it is it's 1030 00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,499 definitely early days but um it's it's 1031 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:19,359 really worth visiting and thanks a lot 1032 00:43:25,379 --> 00:43:21,369 for giving as it and you know good luck 1033 00:43:27,269 --> 00:43:25,389 for the future because um it inside 1034 00:43:28,829 --> 00:43:27,279 really is a wonderful resource check it 1035 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:28,839 out thank you very much yeah no problem 1036 00:44:01,300 --> 00:43:57,910 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1037 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:01,310 zone shows 76 on the second of april now 1038 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:09,170 check out this website w CSI copd org 1039 00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,160 and you'll find a report by our very own 1040 00:44:18,040 --> 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